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The only thing that matters is our happiness.

It's the only reason we do anything.

When I'm kind and loving, even when somebody's lashing out and throwing a fit, I'm happy.

They're not.

If they're lashing out and throwing a fit or criticizing or putting us down, they're miserable.

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Now, let's get communicating.

Now, let's get communicating with the happiness guru himself, Matt O'Neill.

He is the author of The Good Mood Revolution, Igniting the Power of Conscious happiness, and how many of us need that?

Before I go any further, please help me welcome him to the show.

Hi, Matt.

Roberta.

That is happy, isn't it?

What's up, girl?

I'm doing great.

How are you?

I am so pleased that we're connecting on this show.

I'm a big fan of yours.

Thank you so much for your kind words.

I'm pleased that you're here, and we're going to tell our listeners now that we're recording what just happened to prove the very point that you do live the conscious happiness principles that we're going to talk about today.

But first, would you like to introduce yourself?

yes.

I love helping people be happier.

happiness is a skill.

It's a skill that we can learn and we can develop.

I know this because I wasn't always the happiest guy.

Once I started to focus on how to grow my happiness and learn the skill of being happy, and it's not about fake happiness.

You try to put on a fake happy smile and pretend everything's okay when inside you feel like you're dying.

That doesn't work.

I've tried it.

It doesn't work.

It is about understanding that there are only eight negative emotions.

Once we understand what those eight negative emotions are and how they show up inside of us, we can find our way out of each of the eight negative emotions and then back to joy.

Because everything everyone does is to feel happy.

That's all we're all doing.

We're all trying to feel really good.

So why don't we always feel good?

It's because we haven't learned the skill yet.

I am really, really excited to teach the world how to feel happier, because really happy people make other people happy.

They don't harm the planet, they don't harm children, they don't harm animals, they don't harm each other.

When we feel really good, we lift other people up and we lift the world up.

I feel like it's a mission of mine to help the world become a happier place.

We certainly need more happiness for sure.

In your book, you said, when I was asked what I want to be when I grew up, I said happy.

And I thought, that's weird.

A lot of us say doctor, lawyer, teacher, you know.

How did you decide instead of picking a potential profession, you said happy.

How did you have that level of wisdom?

I think we're born with a mission, even in high school.

So that was the high school yearbook.

I was named one of the people that was most likely to succeed.

I was a very good student in high school.

And so for the yearbook, they interviewed me and said, well, hey, because you're picked as one of the most likely to succeed, what do you want to be?

And I said, I just want to be happy.

And it was an odd response for the person interviewing me, who was my good buddy, Avinash.

And it was kind of an odd response to come out of my mouth too, but it was just the truth.

I knew that I was going to be successful because I just knew.

But I didn't know if I was going to be happy.

And so that's what I really wanted.

And you said earlier that you hadn't always been happy.

When did you realize that you wanted that to change?

After I tried to destroy myself with a bunch of negative habits and addictions and really through bad moods.

The law of attraction teaches us that we attract back to us however we feel.

And when I was feeling really bad about myself, like I was unworthy of love, I was pushing anyone who loved me away, including my family and including my girlfriends.

And so whatever beliefs we have inside of us have to manifest.

I had a belief I was unlovable.

And then how does that manifest?

Well, I do really awful things to make sure that you can't love me.

And that's how I was treating people.

And then my life was really destructive.

It was really hard for me.

I was pushing everyone away that cared about me.

And they didn't want to be pushed away.

I was pushing them away.

I finally had a realization of what was happening when I saw the movie The Secret.

And I learned about the Law of Attraction.

And I learned that all of the problems that I was seeing in the outside world were created by my inside world.

And that was the moment I was like, okay, well, other people know how to approve their inside world.

I'm going to do that.

I've been trying to control the outside world this whole time.

But now let me try to control the inside world and see what happens.

And as soon as I did that, the whole world started to get nicer and more beautiful.

It's funny, there are so many of us who do that, chasing away people who love us, or even chasing away the success we claim that we want.

So you're saying that it's because internally, there's a mess in there that's chasing that away, even though mentally you think you want that.

yes, we get whatever we believe we deserve.

Then one of the eight bad moods is the bad mood of shame.

And shame says, I'm not lovable as I am.

I'm not worthy, I'm rejectible.

Bad things are destined to happen to me.

And I had that belief.

I had that belief, and it came from childhood experiences.

And we all have tough childhood experiences.

I had some tough childhood experiences.

And as a five-year-old, when my dad abandoned our family, I just decided as a five-year-old boy, I don't deserve a dad.

I don't deserve to be loved.

And I created that belief.

And then throughout my whole life, I would find evidence for why that belief was true.

But I was creating the evidence.

And I didn't even know that that five-year-old belief that I was unlovable was destroying everything I said I wanted.

I said I wanted healthy, happy relationships.

I said I wanted success in business.

I said I wanted to have lots of great friends.

And yet this underlying belief I didn't know was running everything, was running everything away.

And so I teach in my book, Good Mood Revolution, how to identify the negative sabotaging beliefs and replace them with powerful beliefs.

Because we don't get what we want, we get what we believe.

And it starts by finding the bad beliefs and then replacing them with really powerful beliefs.

yes.

Or even that quote where they say, speaking of the law of attraction, we don't attract what we want, we attract who we are, meaning who we believe we really are and what we deserve, like you said.

Back to the childhood one, some of us may not have had traumatic experiences like what you just experienced when you were five.

But sometimes even though people have had great childhoods, they still struggle to be happy.

What could potentially be the reason for, but you've been given everything, literally.

And your parents are there, and you guys were happy in your household when we came to visit you for sleepovers.

But why do you still grow up and be unhappy?

What's missing?

We all want to be happy.

Again, it's gonna go back to beliefs that we created.

Even if you had the quote unquote perfect upbringing, there were still experiences.

You know, maybe you were at school and a teacher said some offhand comment, and all of a sudden you decide, well, I guess I'm just not that smart.

And then that becomes a belief and it becomes almost a subconscious mantra.

I guess I'm just not that smart.

And so then we get into the world and we keep having to prove that we're just not that smart.

And we sabotage good things that are happening.

Even if we had the perfect childhood, these little beliefs can be created from just one offhand comment from somebody.

It really does sabotage everything we think we want.

But there are eight flavors of bad moods.

There's really good moods too.

And I love to talk about how to get into the positive side of this.

It all comes down to, we were born with a human ego.

And the human ego is really selfish.

And it's the part of us that wants to be selfish and wants to judge other people and say it's their fault and blame others and play the victim.

It wants to feel kind of sad and hurt.

The ego wants to be angry at other people.

It wants to be really prideful and arrogant.

All of that stuff is going to sabotage us.

There's another piece of us, though.

It's our higher self, our soul.

We know that when we're in alignment with the good in us, that we feel really loving, really joyful, really positive.

And these two pieces of us, our higher self, and then the human ego, are kind of at battle.

And you see it play out in every single story.

Cinderella's, the higher self and the fairy godmother maybe could represent the universe or god.

And then she's got her wicked step sisters and her wicked stepmother.

Well, that's the human ego.

It's light versus dark.

Same thing as you got Simba and the Lion King and Scar is the ego.

And it's Luke Skywalker against Darth Vader.

Every single story is this battleground, a light versus dark.

Why are we so attracted to that story?

It's because it's the battle that's happening inside of us at all times.

And we all are going to deal with it all the time.

We always have two choices.

The first choice is, do I fall for the selfish thoughts that are going to end up harming me?

That if we don't know that they harm us, we fall for them.

Or do I choose the higher loving thoughts?

And if we choose those, everything starts to work out better.

I mentioned earlier that we were going to talk about what happened just before we recorded for the benefits of our listeners.

And what I said was, you do live what you preach.

So here's what happened.

I logged in to our initial meeting 30 minutes prior, brain fog.

And I thought you had missed the meeting.

And after 10 minutes, usually, if somebody doesn't show up, I just log up and say, you know what?

Life happens.

Something must have been an emergency.

Matt will update me on what happened and we can reschedule, which happens.

And then I realized half an hour later that you logged in at the right time.

And I missed it because I had gone off my email, did the other things.

I come back an hour later, I'm like, oh goodness, I'm the one who messed this up.

I'm still very surprised at how gracious you were when I said, oh Matt, I'm so sorry I did this and this is what happened.

Not only did you say, can we reschedule?

And you were kind about it.

But I said, I'm free the rest of the day.

And you said, okay, I can be available in 10 minutes.

How are you this accommodating of someone who made such a huge blunder basically?

You did the same thing.

Your attitude when you thought I was 10 minutes late was something must have happened.

There's a thought that can come in when you thought I was 10 minutes late.

You could have said, what a jerk.

He doesn't respect me.

He doesn't care about me.

And all of that kind of thinking, that's ego thinking.

That's really selfish thinking.

But you made a selfless choice.

You said something must have happened.

And you gave me the benefit of the doubt in your mind.

And then the same.

So I'm on the meeting at 30 minutes later, and you're not there.

And I'm thinking, maybe she's just a few minutes late.

So I'll send her a little note.

And then after 15 minutes, I logged off and said, hey, let's reschedule.

And then you get on and you say, this was just a misunderstanding.

And this is the Speaking and Communicating Podcast.

And so it's very important to see how Speaking and Communicating can be a form of happiness.

Because for me to understand that, hey, I make mistakes too.

And I love it when people give me grace.

I love it when they say, no problem.

I understand you're busy.

No one's perfect.

I'm here to reschedule anytime.

I think whatever we give, we also receive.

So in a selfish way, if I give you grace and I say it is no problem, and you're just doing your very best and I know that you're a lovely person, then one day when I'm late or miss something, hopefully it'll come back to me and someone else will say, you know what?

I totally understand.

No big deal.

I'm giving you some grace.

I think whatever we put out there, we get back.

That is so true.

I wish there were a lot more of these types of, I gave you the benefit of the doubt because we're complete strangers.

We just met for the first time.

However, where has all this gone in our human interactions, which is then the reason why there seems to be this not so much happiness among people as they used to be?

Where has all this graciousness towards each other?

Where has it gone to and how do we get it back?

I actually have a different view.

I think that people are more gracious today than they've ever been.

I think human consciousness is getting better and higher and higher and kinder and kinder and kinder.

I've studied the history of the world.

I went to Ireland and for a thousand years the people of England would invade Ireland and just kill and murder and rape.

And now is the most peaceful time in Ireland's history where England has finally stopped killing and murdering and raping them.

How horrible those times were.

And then, you know, I went and saw the play Hamilton.

We think that our politics are so divided.

And the play Hamilton, when politicians didn't like each other in the founding father days, they pulled out guns and had a duel and killed each other in the streets.

And so today we're not shooting each other in the streets.

And we don't agree in America, at least the politicians aren't.

And around the world, things are actually more peaceful than they've ever been, even though they're not where we want them to be yet.

I think human consciousness is getting kinder and more gracious.

But I think we've come from a very, very dark place.

And we all need to continue to wake up.

And it's your mission to help people speak and communicate better.

It's my mission to help people be happier.

And there's more and more of us who are grabbing a microphone and getting on social media and putting our face on video and being inspiring to say, everyone wake up, let's be kind, let's be gracious.

And I think it's getting better.

That's just my personal view.

I like that, actually, very much more hopeful.

And I wonder if it also speaks to because inside of you, that's how you are.

That's how you see the world as well versus me thinking, oh, it looks kind of dark out there.

People are less happy.

You know what I mean?

Because like you said, it all begins within.

yes.

Yeah.

Be the change you want to see in the world.

Right.

Just be it.

Be the change you want to see.

Gandhi said that.

And he was doing peaceful protest.

Right.

There's been beautiful people that have made just beautiful statements of love and really, really hard circumstances that have been these beacons of hope, these wonderful human beings throughout time.

There was a guy that mapped the level of human consciousness named David Hawkins.

And he said about 75 percent of the world lives in the darkness.

And only about 25 percent of the world is joyful and loving.

Really?

Even I'm not that pessimistic.

This is his findings.

And he said, this is the highest it's ever been.

25 percent is the most number of people that are joyful that have ever been.

And the rest of the world, the majority of the world is doing their best, like I was doing in high school.

We're doing our best.

We want to be happy, but we just don't know how to be yet.

And we're plagued by those lower emotions, the eight negative moods.

And they just kind of drive most behavior.

And that's why we see so many people fighting over this politician versus that.

This is my team, this is my team.

And they're like, you're wrong and you're wrong.

And they're always fighting, right?

Well, that's not a happy place to be.

Yeah, the ego, right?

When is it going to get to, you know, 51% are living by their higher self and only 49% are the ego?

At that moment, when we shift from 51%, just to 1% more people are listening to their higher self and kindness, and only 49% are listening to the ego and selfishness, at that point, we'll stop destroying our planet.

At that point, we'll stop fighting with each other about politics and killing each other over nothing.

At that point, there will be more sanity than insanity.

We're just not there yet, but we can start one person at a time.

Always.

It's us, I'm gonna be that person.

I'm gonna be the change.

I'm gonna be the loving one.

And it's not easy, just last night, I've got an 11-year-old daughter and we have four kids, and my oldest is 11, and she's so sweet.

And she got in her head that I was a bad guy yesterday.

Any reason?

No, I woke up early.

I made her lunch for school.

I put a sweet note in it.

I made her breakfast.

I took her to school with her siblings.

For whatever reason, she decided she didn't want to talk with me.

So she made some story up in her mind how I had offended her.

I don't know what it was.

So she didn't talk to me the whole morning.

But my energy and my vibration stayed really high because I had a lot of energy.

Then later that night, I took my other daughter to her cross-country practice, and I took my other daughter, my youngest daughter, with me, and the two of us walked in the woods.

I get home, and I'm helping my wife put dinner on the table, and I'm asking my oldest, I said, Harper, how was your time at cheerleading?

Again, cold shoulder, won't talk with me.

At that point, it's 8 o'clock, I'm doing her dishes, and she brings me her dishes and just throws them down.

I've been like a servant.

I feel like my mind starts to make up a negative story.

I feel like I've been a servant to an ungrateful child all day.

I said, can I wash those dishes, princess?

She gets so upset.

Of course, I said it, my energy was low.

I had fallen into ego.

At that point, I was so tired.

I couldn't keep my vibration.

Because it had lasted this long since the morning when you dropped off at school.

She wouldn't say goodbye.

She wouldn't give me a hug goodbye.

She just turned her head and walked into school.

But I was okay then.

I stayed loving at that point.

It was just at night, I finally lost it.

Then she's up in a room just boohooing, crying.

Of course, I go up there to say good night, she doesn't say good night back.

My mind just got so ugly about it.

It just spiraled into negativity.

I woke up this morning and I thought, okay, I lost it.

I lost my love.

I lost my grace.

I fell out of heaven.

My daughter didn't do it to me.

I did it to me.

What did I do?

And I'm trying to understand.

I'm trying to understand how could I have been better last night.

You know, I'm not saying don't hold your children accountable.

That's not the point.

Harper needs to improve, right?

But I can only hold her accountable if I'm doing it from a space that's non-judgmental, non-judgmental.

This is communication, right?

We cannot make a positive impact on somebody if we're judging them at the same time.

They won't listen.

Even with our children, I can't go and say, be better if I'm judging her and saying, you're not good enough.

We can only make a positive change with someone if we're in a compassionate understanding place.

That's the only time they'll actually take our advice.

So I got judgmental last night.

I couldn't make an impact.

So this morning I wake up and I grab my journal and I said, okay, I fell out of love.

I closed my heart.

That was what I did.

She was cold towards me and closed her heart towards me.

My wife asked her what was going on and she had just made up some story that I didn't care about her like I cared about her sisters.

It wasn't a true story, but it doesn't matter.

People make up untrue stories and believe them, and that's how we end up with bad moods.

Because of her closed heart is basically an attack.

She wants to give me the cold shoulders and attack.

Because of that, I closed my heart and wanted to attack back.

So this morning I said, what's the lesson?

The lesson is, no matter what, I need to really focus when she's closing her heart, I have to really focus and give all my energy to keeping my heart open.

To seeing her as my loving little girl, the one I love so much, that I care for, that I have compassion for, that she's suffering right now, I could see she's suffering, but this closed heartedness is not happy, it's miserable.

But not close my heart, because I won't be able to get through to her.

So I talked to my wife today and I said, okay, here's our intention.

And she'll close her heart towards my wife too, and then it's really hard for her.

Whoever she's closing her heart to, she likes the other one.

So when she loves me.

That's how kids play their parents.

And so I just talked to Katie today and I said, this is what we'll do when we see that she's closed hearted towards one of us.

Let's get together, you and me, we're on a team.

Well, I'll be like, all right, your job tonight, Katie, keep your heart open.

It's the only job.

I'll do the dishes, I'll set the table, I'll get everything ready.

You just have to stay open hearted through this.

It's the only way we're going to be able to help her.

But on a spiritual level, this is my work right now.

This is my work is to how can I love somebody that's giving me frustration, annoyance, or upset.

At work, I think it's the same way in our jobs.

How do you stay kind to the co-worker who's always negative in me?

Can I ask a quick question on that?

It sounds like that whole be the bigger person ideology, and the problem with a lot of people, they say, I'm tired of being the bigger person because then people take it to mean I'm a doormat.

When I'm trying to be like Matt, to be more evolved and happier, and being the bigger person.

It looks like the bigger person idea backfires.

The only thing that matters is our happiness.

It's the only reason we do anything.

When I'm kind and loving, even when somebody's lashing out and throwing a fit, I'm happy.

They're not.

If they're lashing out and throwing a fit, or criticizing, or putting us down, they're miserable.

But if I still know that I'm wonderful, even if my daughter says I'm not, or my co-worker says I'm not.

But if I give myself the internal approval that, hey, my intentions are pure, I'm really caring.

If they don't see it, that's on them.

They're miserable.

I'm going to stay loving and see them as someone that's just suffering.

I get to feel good.

The only reason that humans do anything is to feel good.

It's when I'm not the bigger person, when I fall to their level, like I fell to my daughter's level last night, I suffer.

I went to bed miserable.

I woke up at 3 AM with this problem on my mind.

I didn't have sound sleep.

It hurt me to not be the bigger person last night.

That's the answer is, I'm not a doormat either.

My daughter doesn't get to just be awful to other people and not have consequences.

There are consequences.

I just don't want to dole out consequences from an agitated state.

I want to dole out consequences from a loving state.

Same thing at work.

If a coworker is mean or rude, it doesn't mean I just let them walk all over me.

I will respectfully and caringly and with compassion say, I can see that you're not feeling well.

This is my boundary.

I'm going to respectfully uphold my boundary, but I don't have to attack you to tell you what my boundary is.

That's a very great perspective on that.

Now, let's talk about one of the eight bad moods.

One of the lies is the light of guilt, which sometimes we use as a motivator to say, oh, you know what, if I could just do better, because then the whole mental performance, Tony Robbins, be your best self.

We sometimes confuse those two thinking, it motivates us to do better when we punish ourselves for what we did last time.

Yeah, it's a big lie.

What is the problem with that lie?

It's a big lie.

I fell for it.

It's the perfectionist lie.

And I was a big time perfectionist.

All people that are riddled with guilt are perfectionists.

And being a perfectionist is not the highest achievement.

It's not the highest level of performance.

It's demanding an unrealistic level of output from yourself that you actually can never achieve.

Why it doesn't work?

Because as you say, I'm not good enough, and I need to do better, we make ourselves feel bad.

And Roberta, you know this, and everyone listening knows this.

If we feel bad, we don't do well.

Think of a day that you just felt awful.

Like a day where you're so upset, you're so sad.

Like maybe you had made somebody cry and you'd said some awful things.

How good are you at work that day?

Not so much.

And more than anything, I mean, you drag your feet, but the thing is in your mind the whole day?

You know, you don't think clearly.

Like you said, you sometimes wake up at 3 a.m.

still thinking about it because it's really, really bothering you.

That doesn't feel great.

yes, so we feel that bad when we beat up on somebody that we love.

How good do you think we perform when we beat up on ourselves?

And that's what we do with guilt.

We say, I'm not good enough yet.

It could be better.

It's not perfect enough.

I could be better.

Well, if we're always saying that, then we're never saying how great we are.

I'll give you a flip side.

How good do you perform when you feel amazing?

Like it's the happiest day.

You're singing in the shower.

You're high fiving people you see.

You're smiling at everybody.

What can you accomplish on that day?

Yeah, you can conquer the world.

You can conquer the world.

And so guilt is a lie.

The idea that telling yourself it's not good enough yet and you can be better actually makes you perform worse.

And so what we want to do is we want to counteract that negativity by telling ourself and everyone around us how great they already are doing, is to say, I'm doing amazing today.

In fact, I did that right, and I did that right, and I did that right.

And then we start to feel so good that we feel like we can conquer the world, and then we do.

And as I changed that from a guilt thing where I thought that telling myself I could do better and I wasn't good enough was pushing me to success, I realized it was like a big anchor weighing me down.

And as soon as I cut the anchor, I ran 10 times faster.

Our company grew 10x within three years.

We were awarded the number six fastest growing company in South Carolina.

We were named the number one place to work out of 470,000 companies in our state.

And it was all because I changed from thinking guilt and self-punishment was helping me to recognizing that actually the opposite was true.

When I feel good, I do good.

Do you think that would apply to leadership as well?

When you make your team feel a certain way that's when they're high performing or do you guilt them into high performance?

Yeah, this is all speaking and communicating.

So I'm a CEO and I have 80 people that work at my company.

The way that I speak has improved as my happiness has improved and my guilt has dropped and my affirmations and appreciation and gratitude have increased, which are really great happiness skills.

Because I'm affirming all that's great and how grateful I am, people work a hundred times harder.

They're like, I do anything for that guy.

What do you think they do for the person that says you're not good enough and nothing you do ever makes me happy?

They leave them.

They're minimum 430, I'm gone.

I'm out.

They're already checking social media on the clock.

They're like, I'm already giving them too much of my time, right?

So if we want to be a great communicator, we need to drop the guilt and we need to move into higher states of being, which is really about gratitude and appreciation.

And speaking of gratitude, we've heard for decades, think even before the love attraction, maybe that if you take time to be grateful every day, even writing the things down, you feel better back to feeling happy.

Right.

What would you say to someone who says, Matt, I want to actively look for things to be grateful for every day, but I don't see anything new to be grateful for that I need to write down my five items to be grateful for.

How do you maintain a state of gratitude?

Everything is a habit, and finding things that aren't good enough yet is a habit.

That's an ego habit, and the ego is really good at it.

We can't stop it.

It's how we survived.

It was always scanning for what could hurt us, what wasn't good enough so that we would not step on a snake and get bitten and die.

That's great.

I'm glad that we have the human ego.

We've survived to this point, and we can have this conversation.

I need to be louder than that habit of what's not good enough with what's already amazing, what I'm grateful for.

So a very simple way to add more gratitude to our life is before you eat anything, say a little prayer of gratitude.

doesn't matter who you pray to, you can pray to the universe.

You can pray to the farmer.

For me, I pray to God, and I just say, thank you for this food.

Not everybody has food today.

I am so grateful that I have something to eat right now.

And then I start to say, thank you for things that happened that day.

I say, hey, thank you, God, for the insight you gave me this morning about my daughter.

Thank you for the intention that I have to keep my heart open when she closes her.

Thank you for my wife who's there by my side to help us both be better on this path.

Thank you for giving me this opportunity to become a better version of myself because without these challenges, I couldn't grow myself.

And then how could I teach anyone to be happier if I didn't fall from it?

Right, and so that's my prayer today at lunch.

And now at dinner, we'll say a prayer as a family.

We'll say thank you for all the things that went on as a family.

And it's just very simple way to add gratitude before you eat anything, just say thank you.

Indeed.

Please give us details of your book, The Good Mood Revolution, Igniting the Power of Conscious happiness, where to find it because based on our conversation today, I think every listener should be able to get hold of it.

Yeah, the book is available on Amazon.

As I said, I'm a huge fan of your podcast.

I've been listening to your episodes.

I think everyone needs to continue to listen to Roberta.

You are speaking the truth about how to be an effective human being, because communication affects all of our relationships.

If anyone's looking to add a second podcast into their repertoire, I talk about how to be happy every week on Good Mood Revolution Podcast, and that's a good way to plug into.

Okay, more details on the podcast, so we can look up Good Mood Podcast by Matt O'Neill.

yes, Good Mood Revolution.

It's on Apple and Spotify.

The Good Mood Revolution Podcast by Matt O'Neill on Spotify.

The Good Mood Revolution, Igniting the Power of Conscious happiness.

The book is on Amazon.

Matt, I knew this was going to be wonderful.

Thank you so much for being a happy, gracious person and your mission is much needed by the rest of the world.

We appreciate you being here today.

Thank you so much.

My absolute pleasure.

Your website.

It's my name, mattoneill.com.

mattoneill.com.

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