Speaking and Communicating Podcast

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>> Speaker A: L in the laugh acronym, um, is listen and record and capture. A is about the antidote to a poor speech is a good anecdote.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Welcome back to the speaking and communicating podcast. I am your host, Roberta Ndlela. If you are looking to improve your communication skills, both professionally and personally, this is the podcast you should be tuning into. Communication and soft skills are. Are crucial for your career growth and leadership development. Now, in this exciting month of May, we have an amazing lineup of guests for you. On Mondays, our special guests will be helping us with our inner communication. On Wednesdays, we have public speaking experts helping us with becoming better public speakers. And on Fridays, our, uh, guests will be showing us how to reach global audiences. So stay tuned. Share these episodes with those who will benefit from them and log on to Apple and Spotify and leave us a rating and a review.

Kanakanin is based in Chicago and has an irish background

Now let's get communicating. Now, let's get communicating with Kanakanin. Even though he has an irish background, he is actually based in Chicago. He calls himself irishman speaks. He is a keynote speaker and a humorist. All right, so before we go any further, help me welcome him to the show. Hi, Connor.

>> Speaker A: Hey. Greetings, everyone. Delighted to be on the show. I tell people, Roberta, that this actually is the back road into Chicago. Illinois now is such a bankrupt state that we can't afford good roads anymore. So this is the back road into Chicago.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Back road into Chicago. So Chicago and Ireland are really that close? I like it. You can just walk down that road. It looks like in those movies when they go to Scotland or Ireland, the sheep just make everything come to a standstill. And the cars can't drive.

>> Speaker A: That's right. I mean, Ireland still has a little bit of this on the west coast and, um, certain parts of it, but it is obviously a very dynamic economy now, uh, one of the fastest growing economies in Europe. Probably most of the high tech companies in the world have facilities or have their european headquarters in Ireland.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Yes. To the shamrock. Good job.

Conor Cunneen's mission is to improve people, performance and productivity

So tell us a little bit about yourself.

>> Speaker A: It says, connor Canine brand is an, uh, irishman speaks. My mission is to improve people, performance and productivity with a smile. And my objective when I'm presenting to clients is to leave them with a smile in the face, with a spring in the step, and with some memorable, actionable takeaways that will help them to keep on keeping on and achieve whatever goals the event planner or the corporation wants me to have, uh, achieved when I finish my presentation.

>> Roberta Ndlela: And how did you get started on this, especially with the focus on making people smile?

>> Speaker A: Probably the Irish have a good reputation for being happy and uplifting. Anyway, when I came over here to the States back in the last century, yeah, I was a vp of marketing with a large company called a Unilever. I was doing a lot of business presentations, and I realized that the irish humor went down well with american audiences. So stuff that I might say in Ireland that wouldn't get much of a laugh was getting a good reaction here, etcetera. A ah, lesson for your listeners and viewers here is that, uh, you need to tailor your message to your audience. The message that might be appropriate for one audience is not always necessarily appropriate for the other audience. As an example would be, for instance, if I was speaking to a group of east coast salesmen selling plumbing or something like that, I might be able to get away with certain things. Now, I don't do profanities or anything like that, but I might be able to get away with saying certain things that I wouldn't necessarily be able to say to an evangelical group down in Arkansas.

>> Roberta Ndlela: We always encourage our listeners to tailor make their message to their audiences. When you talk about how, when your humor. I remember as early teens, back in the day, the first time I saw that sitcom from Britain called absolutely fabulous, it was.

>> Speaker A: Oh, yeah, I remember it well. Yeah, yeah.

>> Roberta Ndlela: For some reason, I didn't get that humor.

>> Speaker A: Yeah.

>> Roberta Ndlela: But if I watch an american show, I will understand every joke, you know? So I know that sometimes culturally, some jokes land and some don't.

>> Speaker A: Yeah, most, uh, definitely. And one of the things, as a keynote speaker, I speak a lot to organizations, to healthcare, to financial professionals, etcetera, to leave them with that smile in the space and the spring in the step. And you really do have to be aware of the nuances of the audience, the morale of the audience, what is going well with the company, or has something gone wrong in the last week or two since you were actually booked for the event, and so you don't put your foot into a kind of thing. And then the humor that I use, I try to generate my own humor, uh, just in general, that can be generic, but then I'll always try and take some line or comment and actually purely customize it to that organization or to that clients so that it can even bigger pop, uh, and greater laughter than if I was doing it just using my generic material.

Using humor to convey pain points can be a powerful tool in business

>> Roberta Ndlela: Which brings me to the question, when companies say, okay, Irishman speaks, please come to us. Do you ask them about any of those underlying issues? Do you ask them and find out what's going on? Because I had a guest before who does comedy for corporates? She says, sometimes I make jokes about something that they are finding is challenging or is frustrating them at that moment. Do you try and find out if there's drama, if something is going on and try to make the jokes?

>> Speaker A: Well, what I try to do is I try to understand the client, what their challenges are, the reason they're bringing me in, and what they want to do, feel or act after I have presented part of the way. So I'll do good business material. But one of the vehicles I use to reinforce that is through humor. And, uh, we can talk about in a few minutes time. I've got an acronym that spells out laugh that provides five concepts that will help people to create humor. But definitely if you can understand the pain points that the audience have got, you can make some calm. Deborah, I'll give you one specific example.

>> Roberta Ndlela: And please share those five points from the word laugh.

>> Speaker A: I will indeed bring an example. I was doing a couple, uh, this would have been what's a good example of getting the pain points across? I was doing this program a couple of years ago to a healthcare organization. They were bringing in a new piece of software. And the core software, the main software in healthcare, is called Epic. Epic.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Okay.

>> Speaker A: And it's a pain in the proverbial, trying to implement it, okay. Like every other large piece of software. And people were really getting frustrated about it in this healthcare facility. And I just made the comment to them and I understand. I know life is really easy for you, although I do understand you do have some epic challenges at the moment. Okay. So the kind of play on words related to the brand. M. Really good reaction. They realize, hey, this guy knows the frustration and some of the pain that we are going through right now. But pain points can be major part of humor. Obviously, you want to be careful what it is. I mean, implementing software just drives people crazy. You don't make a, ah, humorous comment about the people that were laid off last week kind of thing. That's a different.

>> Roberta Ndlela: No, we're not talking about being insensitive.

>> Speaker A: No, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

>> Roberta Ndlela: M. Yeah, that's a very good. Actually, puns usually tend to have the effect. If you make a pun like epic, you have epic challenges. And they go, ah. Uh, you know, they always have that relation of ah, uh. Because it's a pun, it has many different meanings in the situation.

>> Speaker A: Absolutely agree with that.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Right.

Roberta: Five tips on adding humor to your presentation

So back to the laugh. Please share with us those five tips.

>> Speaker A: So we'll ask you a question. This is a question I asked my audiences, and we'll see how you respond to it. So I'm looking for a five letter word, Roberta. All right.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Mhm.

>> Speaker A: The $5 word. And the answer lies from this question. So if I say something funny, what is it that I hope that you will do?

>> Roberta Ndlela: Smile.

>> Speaker A: Smile or laugh. Yeah, laugh. Okay. All right. So laugh. And I sometimes make the comment when I'm doing to audiences and I kind of get the comments. Laugh or smile and say a five letter word. Who said grown?

>> Roberta Ndlela: Oh, and probably there might be people.

>> Speaker A: I said, no, it's not grown, it's laugh. And laugh is the acronym for five letters, five, uh, concepts that you can implement to add, ah, humor to your presentation. And the amazing thing, Roberta, is that you don't have to be funny to be funny.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Are, uh, you sure about that, Connor?

>> Speaker A: What did he say? He said. He said, you don't have to be funny to be funny. Honestly? Yes. Let me get explained here. Okay. The idea behind the course I, uh, do on adding humor to your presentation is that capture the humor around you. Don't try and create humor. If you don't feel have the ability to not create humor. Just capture the humor around you. I'll give you an example.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Please do.

>> Speaker A: I've used this now, in the last couple of weeks, I was speaking to a manufacturing organization, and it was in an industry where they were having some challenges with safety and with, uh, some OSHA concerns. I said to them, look, my definition of safety is you come into work with ten fingers and toes, and you come out leave with ten fingers and toes. That's not my definition. I heard it sometimes, but it actually is a simple way to explain safety. So, for you here as manufacturing, I'm speaking to the manufacturing audience. For you here in manufacturing, it is really critical that you are aware of your surroundings and what's going on.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Right.

>> Speaker A: Uh, a couple of weeks ago, I would collect my darling granddaughter Maggie, from soccer practice. We brought Maggie back to our car, my wife and I, and we put Maggie back into the backseat of the car. And Grammy, my wife, sits in beside Maggie, and then I sit in beside Maggie in the backseat of the car. And a couple of seconds later, Maggie's six year old brain goes, Grampy, you should be driving the car. You should be in the front. And I said, no, I want to stay here. And she's like, grampy, as only a six year old little darling granddaughter could do. So I said, okay, I'll drive the car. So I got to get out of the car. One problem. We're on child's lock.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Of course, for her six year old.

>> Speaker A: So I can't get out of the car. We've got to phone my daughter to come back, open the car door for us, and, uh, then I was able to get out of the car. The point of that is that for you, as a. In the manufacturing industry, where safety is a concern, you need to be aware of your surroundings all of the time. And if you're not paying attention to what is happening, you can end up in trouble. Okay.

>> Roberta Ndlela: And you can end up being locked in.

>> Speaker A: You can end up being locked in. So I've used that story a few times, and, I mean, it's not side splittingly funny, but it is humorous, and it's also a humorous anecdote that I didn't create. I just captured it. And the advantage of one of the things I like to try and do during my presentations, as well, Roberta, is tap some callbacks and have the people with I refer to as mental triggers to remember the messages. So, as we're finishing that presentation to the manufacturing organization, I said, okay, let's go back and recall a couple of things. Remember that incident I told you about, Maggie and the child lock? We were stuck in the car. What are the chances of you, when you're driving home this afternoon, seeing some kid in a backseat of the car? When you see that kid, remember, you got to be aware of your surroundings. Some of you probably have got kids who are three or four, and then you put them into the backseat each time you put that kid into the backseat. In future, think about the fact that I've got to be aware of my surroundings, and I've got to be aware of my surroundings at work as well. So not only is that kind of an example of a. A good little message that I captured, but it's also an example of a, uh, message and an anecdote that can be used to recall and to generate mental triggers for the people in the audience, uh, as well, so that they.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Are safe by always watching their surroundings.

>> Speaker A: Absolutely. Yeah. Be aware of what their surroundings are. What I encourage people to do, Roberto, is to use a notepad or to use an iPhone or some kind of a smartphone that will allow them to be able to capture the humor all around them. When you do that, you will have, over a period of time, a number of elements that you may be able to use sometime, somewhere, when you are actually making a presentation in the lab, pattern.

The five concepts I speak about on adding humor to your presentation are laugh, listen

The five concepts I speak about, and I do this in the course on adding humor to your presentation, is that laugh is about n is for listen and capture. Okay? So if you hear something funny, listen, capture it, put it into your iPhone. You don't know when you're going to use it, but you might use it if you say something funny that gets people laughing. And I bet any money you said something funny in the last 24 hours that put a smile on someone's face, you probably don't remember what it was. But if you were to once a day either see something funny, hear something funny, uh, or make some kind of a funny comment, and you put it into your iPhone at the end of the month, you have 29 pieces of humor because it's leap year this month. Okay? Yeah, even better. And a month that has got 31 days, you would have 31 pieces of humor. This is mind boggling.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Okay, never mind boggling. It's way more than you need for one keynote. That's amazing.

>> Speaker A: Yeah. Ah, but the thing is, you don't know when you're going to use it or, uh, what you're going to use. But if you kind of come up with some different concept or different anecdote that you want to reinforce, look back into your iPhone or into your notepad and say, hmm, I could actually use that example there to get the message across. So l in the laugh acronym is listen and, uh, record and capture. A is about antidotes and telling a good story. Anecdote.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Anecdote.

>> Speaker A: I love doing this, but what I say is the antidote to a poor speech is a good anecdote. Okay.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Oh, please say that again. That's beautiful.

>> Speaker A: Uh, the antidote to a poor speech is a good anecdote. Okay. All right. But what I would do there was like, I was just playing with words as well. Antidote and anecdote. But the idea behind the laugh acronym, listen, a is for anecdote. If you consider over the next four or five days when you laugh or you're in a group of people that are laughing, you would probably appreciate that it wasn't a joke that primarily makes you laugh. It's either a quip or a comment or an anecdote or some little story you tell around the water cooler. And the funniest anecdotes are the ones where something went wrong, but it is not kind of a life threatening situation. So a and you is about anecdotes and that were at some stage uncomfortable you. So the little incident there with Maggie being the back of seat of the car, I mean, that was an anecdote actually happening. It was marginally uncomfortable. It was funny all of the time. Kind of thing. But it was a good little way to illustrate that. And if you can recall some incident from your past that, uh, you now tell your friends about where something went wrong and they're laughing at it, say to yourself, whoa, that's an anecdote. I was uncomfortable at the time. It's now a really good story. There's a message there, and it can make a real difference to your ability to connect with the audience. Get them smiling, get them laughing. And again, you're not creating the humor, Roberta. You are capturing the humor. Okay? Right. So let's go. We gotta listen.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Anecdotes.

>> Speaker A: Uncomfortable.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Uncomfortable.

>> Speaker A: G is for the Googler, as I reported. Okay. Googling on the bing. All right. I like to say Google on the bing. So the basic idea here is that if you're doing a keynote speech or presentation, all you really need to do is to get them smiling or laughing three or four times in a 30 minutes pitch or presentation, and they will think, hey, that person is a humorous presenter. They've got good concepts as well. That's obviously critically important. But we're not talking about writing comedy here. We're not talking about getting the reaction you want to get if you go to a comedy club. We're talking about adding humor to your presentation to reinforce the presentation. So if three or four times in your presentation, you can come up with an anecdote, or you google on the being, as I say, and you find something, let's say, on leadership. So you can ask for things like humorous quotes about leadership. Yeah, funny leadership anecdotes or humorous jokes about the leadership, etcetera. And then what you can do is you can somehow or another drop that in appropriately. Ah. You can say you're not plagiarizing anything. You can say, I saw on there, let's say, MSNBC or a Fox News the other day, a reference to XYZ that is actually humorous, someone's making a comment kind of thing. Or I saw a joke online that reinforces, uh, what I'm talking about here kind of thing. So there's no danger of stealing a comics material. I'm not suggesting that at all.

>> Roberta Ndlela: No, we won't encourage that.

>> Speaker A: Yeah, but if you google on the bing for your topic and add a humorous anecdote after it, if you google on the bing for, let's say, lawyers, lawyer jokes, financial services jokes, doctor jokes, etcetera, those kind of things, you'll better come up with something. And then you would be able to, uh, adapt it a little bit to your audience, possibly. And um, we use it to reinforce your message. So, and then the final element of the laugh, so we can listen and comfortable Google. Or you can even Google on the AI now, I suppose. Or AI and the Google. That's right. Yep. Yeah.

Robert York: Make sure you give your audience time to take your message in

So the final one is h m. And h is for he he to ho, ho, ho. So he ho, ho, ho. And the idea here is that if you're doing a presentation, are you making a comment to someone and you get a smile or you get a little chuckle from that person or that audience, ask yourself, hmm m is there some way I can actually enhance that to. So instead of the next time I'm speaking and presenting, it won't just be a he he, it'll be a ho, ho, ho. Because what you have got there, when you got the hehehe, Robert, is you've got a little, I suppose you can call it an acorn. And from little acorns, the giant trees grow up. You kind of fertilize them and give them the air and the resources to make it happen. It's the same with your presentations. And, um, if you're a keynote speaker, for instance, I mean, I speak to a lot of different groups. A lot of the material I do, uh, my core keynote is titled actually the gift of gab. Gab. And Gab is an acronym for goals attitude, behavior. Goals attitude behavior. Okay. So I can do a program on successful leadership through the gift of gap goals attitude behavior. I can do teamwork through the gift of gap goals, attitude, behavior, etcetera. And for all, for different audiences. And there were slightly different nuances. So a lot of the material that I will be using is material that I used last week and the week before that I know is going to get a lot.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Mhm.

>> Speaker A: Okay.

>> Roberta Ndlela: It's been tested out.

>> Speaker A: It's been tested out. Yeah. And, um, that is important in that, uh, sometimes I'll give a quip that will get a good reaction, but because I'm not expecting the reaction, I kind of stamp on it a little bit. But what I do remember is, hey, remember, Conor, you got a good reaction to that. How can we just make it pop a little bit more? One of the things that's important when you're communicating with your audience is make sure you give them time to take your message in. And when it comes to humor, if you think you've got something humorous to say, allow them to laugh as well when you have made that comment. Because if you stamp on their laughter, you won't get them laughing the next time as much as if you didn't stamp on the laughter kind of thing.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Right. That's why when you said, ho, ho, ho, it becomes Santa. You make them so happy. Yeah, but such a huge smile on their face, they'll go, ho, ho, ho.

>> Speaker A: Yeah. It's a simple concept, though. I mean, and the thing is, again, you don't have to be funny to be funny, but almost certainly, you have, uh, said something, and I'm not saying enough money, by the way, you have said something in the last few days that put a smile in someone's face. If you start paying attention to that, you can just maybe throw one extra word in or take one word out of that sentence, and it's going to pop. Okay.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Right. Here's what I've noticed, and you can correct me on this, Connor. When you realize that you had the chad lock and you couldn't get out of the car, does personality play a role in the sense that. That if you are the type of person in general who does find the irony or the humor in uncomfortable situations, you are likely to do what you just said versus someone who always, if something goes wrong, they just lose it.

>> Speaker A: Right. Yeah. And I mean, uh, I'm not a saint. I know just above here, you can't see it above the screen, but there is actually a halo above my head. Okay. As I tell my wife, all right, she doesn't see it either. Roberta, I don't get this, but I'm not a saint either. And I do get annoyed and frustrated as well. But the point about that story is that when my daughter comes back to open the door, she's already breaking her side laughing. And then we tell her to my brother in New York, and he's breaking his side laughing about it. So even if I had been frustrated, I think other people involved would have seen the humor in it. And then you've got to say to yourself, all right, that's a humorous little anecdote. I can use it. Any average person, I think, will be able to find humor in certain things that happen. There's a big difference between something going.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Badly wrong and something that's not extreme situations. Yeah. As you said, your daughter was laughing, which helped the rest of you watch your surroundings. So you might be frustrated. But if everybody around you starts laughing, have you realized it becomes contagious? And then you think, maybe it's not as bad as I thought it was?

>> Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. And here's the other interesting thing. I really work hard on developing good content. I, uh, research it well. I think I presented well. I rehearse a lot of the time. I'm involved with a windy City professional toastmasters, uh, professional speakers, toastmasters group here in Chicago, and, uh, we can kind of present our material there for 1520 minutes and then get roasted by the rest of the group, which is really good. But if you want to get good at something, you got to make an effort to get good at that thing. And I'll give you an illustration of that now in a second. We've got the time.

If you're preparing for a humorous speech competition, start preparing now

So if, for instance, anyone here is watching who wants to win humorous speech competition and toastmasters, what I suggest to you is if the competition is on next September, October, start preparing for it now. And the way you prepare for it.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Now, we usually say story bank, but this is a humor bank.

>> Speaker A: A humor bank. That's it. Yeah. And the idea is you're just building up the material and you'll be able to use something sometime, somewhere, etcetera. But if you think you've got the first round of the humor speech competition coming up in two weeks time, and you're starting to write a speech now that you think is going to win it, good luck to you.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Yeah, no, you need to be prepared well in advance.

>> Speaker A: The other thing I would say about writing a humorous speech, here's the paradox. Don't initially try and write a humorous speech. Write the speech, then figure out how you can add humor to it. It takes some of the pressure off you, and the more you kind of go back over that speech as a toastmaster. And again, you're ready for your five to seven minute speech. I think if you keep going over, you find, hey, there's another word I can put in there. I remember now that something else happened to me four weeks ago. Maybe I can drop that in etcetera, but it takes time. Develop material. Ah, that will impact people, whether it's serious material, or whether it is humorous material with a serious message, or it's just humorous material, it don't happen overnight.

>> Roberta Ndlela: You said at the beginning, actually, that at the end of the day, the humor is tailor made to the topic because the topic is what's important. The content is the significant part of this, the humor ads presentation.

>> Speaker A: Absolutely. I mean, if you're doing a humor speech competition, all right, you don't necessarily need to have a lot of content in that. But for me, as a keynote speaker, I'll be doing 45, 55, 60 minutes presentations to leaders, to engineers, financial services, healthcare professionals, oncology, etcetera. They want good messaging around the gift of gab, for instance, goals, attitude, behavior that they can take back to the workplace. But one of the vehicles to grease the accent, if we can call it that, to help the reinforcement of the messaging, is by adding humor to the presentation. And if you make a commitment, I actually say, when I'm doing the course on adding humor to your presentation, if you make yourself a commitment, that I will make an effort to add humor to my presentation, it will start happening after a while. It mightn't happen tomorrow, it might not happen the day after. But if you go to the gym, you ain't going to get buffed overnight. It's going to take a period.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Wouldn't we love that?

>> Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. Humor is the same kind of, uh, thing. I tell a story to reinforce some of my material, whether it's a humor or not, that I'm trying to get across. But I say to people, things don't happen just because you want them to happen. You got to make an effort to make them happen. And, uh, I'll tell you a story about Patrick, who was a good living irish guy, and Patrick ran into some financial difficulties due to gambling, women, and drinking, or so the irish definition of good living is. Pretty broad. All right, so Patrick's granddad dies. Patrick goes out to the house to clean out the house, and then he goes out to the garage, and he's, uh, brushing against the. Clean out the garage. He brushes against the lamp, and out of the lamp pops a genie. No, a leprechaun.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Oh, yeah, by the way, Irish. That's right.

>> Speaker A: Everyone says, jeannie, I said leprechaun because of my background kind of thing. And it gets a really irish. So the leprechaun says, and here's an example. Now, by the way of tailoring your message, the leprechaun says, patrick, I'll give you one wish. And, uh-huh. Patrick says, leprechaun, I thought you gave three wishes. And the leprechaun says, hey, patrick, it's still post COVID supply chain problems. We can only provide you with one wish. So the leprechaun says, what wish do you want? And Patrick says, leprechaun, if you let me win the lottery, I'll pay off all of my debts. I'll give, uh, the rest of it away to charity. I don't need the money. And I'll stop being, uh, drinking and, uh, womanizing and gambling. Leprechaun says, hey, I like that. It shows nice goals. I like your attitude. Shows nice behavior. Gift of gab. Okay, right? So, the leprechaun says, I'll let you win the lottery. One week goes by, Roberta. Uh, Patrick does not win the lottery. Two weeks go by, and he still hasn't won the lottery. And after week three and Patrick, not winning the lottery again, he goes out to the garage, he brushes against the lamp and all the lamp, um, pops there.

>> Roberta Ndlela: The leprechaun is in deep trouble.

>> Speaker A: Yay. The leprechaun learning audience. I love it. And the leprechaun says, patrick, what can I do for you now? And Patrick says, leprechaun, you told me I'd win the lottery, and I haven't. And the leprechaun says, patrick, give me some help here. At least buy a lottery.

>> Roberta Ndlela: A ticket.

>> Speaker A: No, that's a goofball story. It's an old story. But for you, in my audience, it is a story with a moral. And the moral is that just because you want something to happen doesn't mean it's going to happen. And you have got to make an effort to be able to do x, y, or z, whatever we're talking about in the. Whoever the audience is. But for you, if you want to add humor to your presentation, you've got to make an effort to do it. You've got to commit to doing it. You should pay attention to the laugh acronym and the laugh back, uh, concept. Have a notepad or have an iPhone or whatever it is that will help you to create it. And eventually, you will win that lockery because you made the effort to go for that metaphorical locker ticket.

>> Roberta Ndlela: And it won't be the leprechaun's fault, for sure. Thank you so much.

Connor Connon helps us add humor to our speaking on communicating podcast

Irishman speaks. Real name, Connor Connon. Irishman speaks. Thank you so much, Connor. Not only did you help us add humor, but it's so much fun, and we laugh during our conversation. I really appreciate you, but before you go, please share with us where we can find you for more humorous tips.

>> Speaker A: Well, if you come walking the land here in the morning, you'll find me walking the road. But otherwise, the brand is Irishman speaks. My website is Irishman speaks. I've got a course on there on adding humour to your presentation. I'm also on YouTube. As I say in Roberta, uh, when it comes to being professional speaker, search engine optimization is important. For me, YouTube is important, and I want to be all over the web like a rash.

>> Roberta Ndlela: Hence, I asked the leprechaun for that worship. Kidding me.

>> Speaker A: So, Irishman speaks. And, uh, I really enjoy the conversation. Really? Ah, good. Uh, fun. Thank you for having me.

>> Roberta Ndlela: I also had fun. I appreciate you being here today. Thank you so much. Thank you for joining us on the speaking on communicating podcast. Once again. Please log on to Apple and Spotify. Leave us a rating and a review and what you'd like for us to discuss on the show that will be of benefit to you. We encourage you to continue to get communicating and let us know how communication skills continue to improve your life professionally and personally. And stay tuned for more episodes to come.